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So lately there's been many posts and questions about becoming a fae, how you know, etc. I've been reading them with interest, especially those who are indeed a fae, but then I realized something: no one has ever said that they're an unseelie fae. If being a fae (reincarnated, if I'm understanding correctly) is possible, which I believe it is, how come there's no unseelie? Do they not want to be any part of this or is this something that someone wouldn't exactly admit to?

I don't know if any of that even made sense, but I hope someone can clear this up for me.

Azure <3

Exactly what I was thinking. Thank you very much, Bluefirephoenix!

Ok, let's back a step for a moment. This sort of question was put to Mr. E once, about whether humans can incarnate as fae and whether fae can incarnate as humans. As I understood his response, when he was talking about fae incarnating as humans, it wasn't because the fae in question had died. It was more of an extended astral projection deal, where the fae's body was still held intact somewhere, but the spirit was spending some time being attached into a human body for purposes of being able to interact with the physical realm. In other words, it isn't a true karma/choice-based reincarnation, but more like an extended magickal operation. And while it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Unseelie doing this sort of thing, they would probably see it as being a bigger personal sacrifice than Seelie would. So unless something extraordinary was going on I think there wouldn't be nearly as many of them doing it.

I have to mention something else, I'm afraid. It isn't only Unseelie fae who can be mean, vindictive, self-serving, and afraid. 'Unseelie' is more a state of mind and of opinion than anything else, and it's a state that can be (and often is) held by humans and other races, too. If every unpleasant troll on the internet was an Unseelie I don't think there'd be any left in the fae realms for the Seelie to fight against. Of course, that means the same thing goes for a 'Seelie' frame of mind too – you don't have to be fae to have a Seelie mindset – and thankfully, that is the general mindset of those on these forums. :)

A word about Otherkin sites: I used to hang out on them many years ago, back when they were new and still filled with genuine seekers who were more concerned with finding themselves than with creating social dramas. There was still some drama back then, but nothing to what I understand it is now. (The very reason I quit those sites years ago.) It was a real shame to watch the young drama queens move in and start shaking their booty all over the place, but it was pretty evident that, compared to those who came before them, they were really nothing more than wishful thinkers and people trying to find an excuse to boss other people around. ("Hey, I used to be the Princess of the Elenari! You gotta do what I say!" ). Most of them were pretty young and immature. So although there may be some Unseelie on those sites now, honestly I'd guess that what you were seeing there, Natalie, was just the natural social dynamics of immature people on the internet who know they don't really have to face any consequences for their words. It was a truly sad loss of a valuable resource for those who really were looking to find themselves, and I think most if not all of those old-timers have moved on and away. I certainly wouldn't recommend the Otherkin sites these days, for exactly the reasons you mentioned.

Athidal said:

And while it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Unseelie doing this sort of thing, they would probably see it as being a bigger personal sacrifice than Seelie would. So unless something extraordinary was going on I think there wouldn't be nearly as many of them doing it.

I wasn't clear about the point you are making – So….are you saying that I am wrong and they aren't coming into human bodies to futher their cause? Mr E is clear on this point, they are very motivated.

Athidal said:

I have to mention something else, I'm afraid. It isn't only Unseelie fae who can be mean, vindictive, self-serving, and afraid. 'Unseelie' is more a state of mind and of opinion than anything else, and it's a state that can be (and often is) held by humans and other races, too. If every unpleasant troll on the internet was an Unseelie I don't think there'd be any left in the fae realms for the Seelie to fight against. Of course, that means the same thing goes for a 'Seelie' frame of mind too – you don't have to be fae to have a Seelie mindset – and thankfully, that is the general mindset of those on these forums.

I didn't say that others beings including humans can't be all those negative things, I just said that's where the unseelie like to do their best work – they enjoy and they take pride in it.

Athidal said:

So although there may be some Unseelie on those sites now, honestly I'd guess that what you were seeing there, Natalie, was just the natural social dynamics of immature people on the internet who know they don't really have to face any consequences for their words. It was a truly sad loss of a valuable resource for those who really were looking to find themselves, and I think most if not all of those old-timers have moved on and away. I certainly wouldn't recommend the Otherkin sites these days, for exactly the reasons you mentioned.

I'm afraid it wasn't just immaturity, it was "knock you back" hostility and anger.  I had followed a link from my website statistics that showed there was a link to this particular site. Apparently someone was wrting about Real Fairies and I was curious about it.  As it turned out, they were mocking the site and being derisive.  It was somewhat surprising but I wrote a nice, pleasant response that said we weren't the fluffy site they had been mocking and that opened up an incredible feeding frenzy the likes of which I had never seen before.  It went well beyond "immaturiy," believe me.  Now this hate for no real reason surprised me and then I realized "this isn't a normal human response, this is something much darker."  I didn't say that everyone on these sites are unseelie, but this offensive was, in my opinion, instigated and led by them.  The good news is that it really didn't affect me or Real Fairies in any important way so they really didn't win much of anything.

No offense taken Athidal, none whatsoever.  I was just trying to get some clarification because, as you know, sometimes we think each other is saying something different and then we finally figure out we are talking about the same thing after all.

I see where you were going with the unseelie being in human bodies but I have to say that some of them apparently think it is worth it to be here–at least temporarily–to make some headway for their cause.  Don't forget that time passes slower in their realm so they aren't here as long as it seems to us.  I don't think enough of them are here so that they would forfeit their territory but just enough to cause some real discord. I  imagine that even a few well placed individuals could be very effective–they are good at what they do.

This is a great statment and I agree 100% with what you wrote:  "But I do feel that it is important to recognize that, so that anyone who wants to genuinely oppose the Unseelie will know that the best way to do it is to encourage positive emotions and values in themselves instead of just blaming someone else for their problems." We would all do well to remember this -not only is it a healthier, more growth oriented way to look at life, it truly is the best defense against any negativity.

The otherkin thing, well it just surprised me more than anything but I did get an opportunity to see them manipulate humans into a frenzy and it was  pretty enlightening.

I'm glad we're on the same page, Natalie. :) And I have to confess…though I name no names and don't really want to discuss politics, I confess to having had Doubts about certain people who have held certain government jobs. As you say, it would only take a few well-placed individuals who are good at what they do to cause some real havok. This is one of the reasons I'm so hot to get people to learn how to think for themselves. :)

@Darkfantasy: It didn't used to be that way, although there were always some people who obviously had some mental issues in that community. Not surprising, really, considering that everyone was there to explore the idea of a reality that most people would call crazy. Still, just by watching people over time you could sort of figure out who wasn't colouring with a full box of crayons. ;) There are still some folks who host gatherings and suchlike from time to time, though, and they seem to be getting along fairly well.  PM to you.