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Member | Bluefirephoenix posts 891 2:39 pm May 17, 2010
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I don't have a great deal of experience with the Fae people as up to now. I recently ran into a situation that to make a long story short ended up in visiting and now a probable move to a different part of the provence. One of the languages spoken there is Scottish gaelic. When I checked into the pronunciation of certain words; I found discrepencies. the name pronounced Shee in scotish is Sith no discrepency. The first one is the word pronounced by the Fae people there sounds like Ree sa Ree I think is king Riegh something like that. I thought it meant queen but bean riegh is queen according to the dictionary. the other one is a word Doe en which I thought was Doiane but that is supposed to be pronounced Deene. I don't know gaelic at all ( well nothing but a couple swear words) but I remembered a couple of the words I heard and checked them out. Some check out some don't.
Most of the other non linguistic things I was told or shown there have checked out when I research them, so I think I'm preceiving things farily well. In addition, one of the conditions for the move was met within 24 hours of the encounter.
Any thoughts on this does anyone speak Scottish Gaelic that might know what I'm hearing?
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Member | Athidal posts 633 3:09 pm May 17, 2010
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I'm no expert on Gaelic, but I do know one or two bits from research here and there. As I understand it Scots Gaelic and Irish Gaelic are closely related. 'Daoine' in Irish Gaelic means 'people', hence the term the Folk are sometimes known by, “daoine sidhe', which means 'people of the hills'. ('Sidhe' is the word for 'hill', and the legend goes that the Folk retreated into the hills to get away from humans.) It's possible that you're hearing a regional or archaic dialect of that word. (Or you could be hearing utterly different words that have crazy Gaelic spellings which make them harder to look up. You might want to look at the context of what you're hearing to see if 'people' makes sense in it.)
In Irish Gaelic the term for the High King of Ireland is “Ard-Rí na hÉireann”. Broken down, the 'na hEireann' part is obviously 'of Erin/Ireland'. With what you've said about 'bean rieigh' meaning 'queen', it sounds like 'ri/reigh' means 'ruler' and whatever word is attached to it describes the ruler in some way – high, or female, or whatever. In Gaelic the adjective can (as I understand it) come after the noun it describes, so whatever 'sa' is would be what kind of ruler they are talking about. (This is absolutely fascinating that you're able to hear this, by the way! Congratulations!)
A search through online Gaelic dictionaries from Google turns up that in Irish Gaelic (the Scots Gaelic dictionaries had problems, sorry) – anyway, in Irish Gaelic the word 'sa' seems to be a kind of relative descriptor. The examples they gave were “at home” and “in-law”. I guess 'righ sa' might translate as 'currently-reigning ruler'. Or it might be one of those words that gets silent vowels and consonants in it, so looking it up in a dictionary is trickier.
Anyway, that's my best half-informed guess. Hopefully someone else here is more knowledgeable about Gaelic and could give you a better answer. It sounds like you could have quite an adventure ahead if you go through with the move though, so best of luck to you! 
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Member | Bluefirephoenix posts 891 3:54 pm May 17, 2010
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Thanks for the reply and that was helpful. It actually makes more sense in terms of context than does Queen. Thats another thing thats checked out. It's been enough of a wild ride as it is. I'd say that most of last week was a dream if it weren't for the job and all the follow up seems to indicate accuracy beyond anytyhing I've ever seen before.
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Member | Athidal posts 633 10:39 pm May 17, 2010
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Wow! I hope you'll keep us posted if you can – it sounds like your life has already become an adventure. :)
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Member | Bluefirephoenix posts 891 7:40 am May 18, 2010
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Perhaps she was mixing langauges. I realized last night as I was working that the modern english word Doleman which is a type of megalithic tomb or stone table sounds pretty darn close to what she said and the word also comes close in meaning to Doaine. that would also make sense in terms of context. I need to learn more Gaelic than the few swear words I hear. If this is the case then everthing linguistically then checks out.
I think I would describe the " adventure" more like being dropped headfirst into a warzone. I will say those I have met so far have impressed me greatly, and I have already learned a great deal. I still have many questions, and have a very long ways to go but at least the stark terror of the past 3 months no longer haunts me.
I'm curious about the 7 pointed star that is used on the banner on this website. It is also the symbol used by some of my associates and mentors who usually are not considered Fae, though in light of recent events I'm beginning to really wonder that our definition is far too narrow. I would be curious to find out the symbolism
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Member | Seriad posts 29 11:43 am May 18, 2010
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A quick trip to wikipedia says:
The second heptagram is known among Pagans as the Elven Star or Fairy Star, a sacred symbol to those who follow the Faery tradition. Similarly, it has been adopted as an identifier by some members of the Otherkin subculture. Blue Star Wicca also uses the symbol, where it is referred to simply as a septegram. The second heptagram is also a symbol of magickal power in other Pagan religions.
Found that by googling "seven pointed star"
† Seriad
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Member | Bluefirephoenix posts 891 3:08 pm May 18, 2010
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I appreciate your response and looking that up.
My primary background is in ceremonial magic. So I'm aware of the coorispondences in neopaganism which are based either on Golden Dawn or Agrippa which is what your mentioning To me the primary question is why have the elves and fae adopted this symbol. If my hunch is right it will give me independent confirmation of something that I've suspected for awhile. Its not what it means so much as what it means to them and why they have picked this.
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Member | Athidal posts 633 4:08 pm May 18, 2010
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I can add something here. In the Otherkin community the seven pointed star was adopted based on people's memories of how it corresponds with a system based on seven elements/flows of energy (as opposed to the five used by most human systems of magick). There has been a little diversity of opinion on *exactly* what those correspondances are, but the general breakdown goes something like: Sun, Moon, Star, Sea, Stone, Tree, Sky. (Fire, in case you're wondering, would fall under 'sun'.)
The Otherkin community, if you didn't know, was originally comprised of people who were slowly waking up to having memories of being fae in a former life. I make absolutely no claims whatsoever about what it has turned into since then. All I can say is that the reasons why Natalie had to create an 'especially for teens' board here are not unique to these forums. :/
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Member | DarkFantasy Maryland posts 299 4:27 pm May 18, 2010
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Let me stay where the wind will whisper to me, where the raindrops as they're falling tell a story.- Evanescence, Imaginary
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Member | Bluefirephoenix posts 891 4:46 pm May 18, 2010
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Thank you I had no idea what the name signified. Thats very interesting. It could coorelate to the 7 epics of creation and the spirits ( gods or angels whichever you prefer) which formulate the basis of what I was working with when I was turned on my noodle. If this were the case then this whole thing would make a heck of a lot more sense and I would have fewer doubts about my sanity.
I hate to be so obscure yet I feel very uncomfortable discussing much of this in an open forum.
…. yet in many ways I feel very alone and for a la couple months I was in fear that I was going to be killed or injured. Those familiar with spirits and magic who are my friends were also very concerned more due to my withdrawl than what I said as I was afraid to say anything for fear of agrivating the situation. I learned last week that the intent was instructional and to initiate contact and not threatening. I was very grateful and impressed with the graciousness of the Fae I met, but I am still in unknown territory and in a position of having to learn as much as possible without revealing such things as would cause problems.
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Member | Athidal posts 633 10:42 pm May 18, 2010
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I sympathize with your situation, having run into something a bit similar lately myself in regards to what kinds of things are allowable to discuss openly. I'm finding that, as they say, god is in the details. That's awesome that you have been approached like that, and you might want to make sure that any agreements you make or understandings you come to are spelled out as clearly as possible, with as little room for assumption and misunderstanding as possible.
I do have a question which I hope you can discuss – what are the 7 epics of creation? Is it a Hermetic/Golden Dawn thing? A quick Google search wasn't terribly helpful, unfortunately, but you've piqued my interest.
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Member | Athidal posts 633 11:02 pm May 18, 2010
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@Elyssa:
"Otherkin" is a term for people who feel that they were once something other than human, like the way Mr. E has been saying that sometimes fae get born into human bodies. The idea more or less started back in the 1990's, when the internet was new. (Most Otherkin only meet each other on the internet, like on forums and stuff.)
At first most people who thought they were Other thought they had once been elves, though a few thought they had been fauns or pixies or something else. But as time went on more people found out about the idea, and soon there were people who said they had been dragons, phoenixes, unicorns, vampires, wolves, demons, angels, and all sorts of things.
Nowadays there are people who say they were once more than one kind of thing, like having been a dragon and a wolf and a vampire, and there are people who think they were once characters from an anime show they currently happen to like. And there are other people who think the community is a big game of 'let's pretend', and have started making things up in order to play.
Basically, the Otherkin community used to be something that was a real effort to build a support network for people who would have been called crazy by most other people. There might even be a few genuine faeborn still lurking in it. But over time it turned into a pit of drama, wishful thinking and trolls, which is why I sort of put a disclaimer when I mentioned Otherkin. Things just ain't what they used to be. ^^
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Member | Bluefirephoenix posts 891 8:26 am May 19, 2010
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Athidal said:
I sympathize with your situation, having run into something a bit similar lately myself in regards to what kinds of things are allowable to discuss openly. I'm finding that, as they say, god is in the details. That's awesome that you have been approached like that, and you might want to make sure that any agreements you make or understandings you come to are spelled out as clearly as possible, with as little room for assumption and misunderstanding as possible.
I do have a question which I hope you can discuss – what are the 7 epics of creation? Is it a Hermetic/Golden Dawn thing? A quick Google search wasn't terribly helpful, unfortunately, but you've piqued my interest.
I'm borrowing and modifying a term from the Babalonian mythology 7 tablets of creation to describe the creation cosmology found in the diaries of Dr. John Dee and Edward Kelly Mysteriorum Libri Quinque. This is a lesser known section of the Enochian revelation. The later works collected in Cassaubon's True and Faithful Relation are the works used by Hermetics and orders such as Golden Dawn. If the Hermetic astrological and Cabalistic associations are stripped from the works and only what the angels are saying is taken into consideration a totally different cosmology is presented. It is not completely consistent with the account of creation according to Genesis which is the assumption made by both Dee and later Hermeticists. It was later forced into that mold and for most people who engage in any activity with this system remains so.
However, from the beginning of this study I felt that this was a mistake that the spirits should be taken at their word without adding a lot of garbage to what they present. If this is done creation becomes an epic overseen by 7 Kings with a High King. The powers of these angel kings are what most would generally ascribe to gods, thus making the system a modified Monothesism or polytheism. much like paganism rather than a true Monotheism. The exact nature of the epic is only fragmentally described. The symbol of the Princes of Creation as the ruling order of these spirits is called is the 7 pointed star virtually identically presented to the Elven flag. The elemental ascription given makes a lot more sense than by a time line accounting of creation. Creation as a collaborative and ongoing activity based on magical elements. Otherworld elements would be different because of the inherent difference of the physical and spiritual laws governing the two planes. The almost nonsensical nature of the presentation of the ensigns and the functions of the Hepatarchial rulership with apparently conflicting functions between the ensign the Tablets of Bornorum and descriptions given by the rulers of their roles could be due to the differences between the two planes and could be understood in terms of magical elements if the Otherworld elements could be described well in terms of what a human is capable of understanding.
Athidal I sent you a PM.
Phoenix.
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Member | Athidal posts 633 3:10 pm May 19, 2010
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*ponderponderponder* You've raised some fascinating ideas, Phoenix. Thanks for elaborating more on your ideas of the 7 epics – you've just given me some more things to research more deeply. I got your PM, and hope to respond later when I've got a bigger chunk of free time and am a little less sleep-deprived. :)
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