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any idea about souls in purgatory? opinion???anyone?

I'm sorry if it sounds rude, which, if it does, I'm sorry, and I don't mean for it to be. :/

But, I don't see how this relates to fae… and deffinitely not fairy encounters

thanks ta. you have a truthful guide…thank you for your so much concern about the people who wants answers to their questions.i appreciate it a lot though some do not have the same level of understanding as you are. you take care.

Daji said:

Quite an interesting read, snowity83.  SaranelTonight, maybe not directly related to Fae, but the Elder forum has some unrelaed posts. As it's described, it's a place for "more adult discussions", and I'm not sure this should go to the off-topic section.

 

Now, about Purgatory. I am not a Christian. I don't know much about "Purgatory" in the Christian sense, but it's true souls can't cross over when filled with regret, fear or guilt. In the end, if you have a particular belief about what should happen to you when you die, or where you should go, you are probably taken to that place.

 

Anyway, common belief in Mexico (a deeply Catholic country) talks about how miraculous the Souls in Purgatory are. If you ask them for a favour, you have free them in exchange (in most cases, ask for a Mass to be said in their name), and then they'll take your petition to the Christian God. I have heard some messed up stories about people who fail to keep their promises. In most cases, these souls stalk and scare people into insanity unless the promise is kept.

 

I had one encounter with one of these restless souls once. I visited a museum called Templo Mayor, here in Mexico City. As I passed next to some objects I really didn't pay attention to (they were Colonial, and I was more interested in the Prehispanic artifacts) someone pulled my hair to stop me. There was no one around me. No one. Still, I could feel someone (a woman, perhaps) watching from behind the glass where the objects are kept.

 

I stopped to see this things, which turned to be some artifacts dedicated to the souls in Purgatory. For some reason I laughed. I found it amusing that some soul in Purgatory (I can speculate this soul was related to the artifacts) asked a Wiccan for help. I decided to assist this soul and dedicated a few prayers to Hecate, guide of ghosts. I never felt watched, stalked or bothered so I assume Momma Hecate took this soul to the right place. I find it very moving to know that on the other side, our religions do not separate us. If a lost Catholic soul found peace because of my prayer, my asumption that all Gods get along is correct. I can imagine the Christian God and Hecate smiling on how this soul finally got home because she pranked a Wiccan woman in a museum. That sounds like a happy ending.

I'm quiiiite sure this didn't first come from this section, but the connecting with the fae section,

Anyways… lol

Do you think, that maybe, God is the same as Zeus, and all the gods are repeated about each other over in different cultures? But… are there any other cultures with purgatory, because that I'm not sure of…

I know that I believe in ghosts, but… I really don't have much of an opinion on purgatory, heh…

Well, in my opinion, which I, like I said, isn't much of one, not very big, but, I think that souls in purgatory just haven't come to terms with their death, or for some reason can't leave… or maybe are being held back by one thing or another.

That's just my input, though, and I know a lot of people will have totally different opinions : )

@ Daji: Yes, thanks for sharing your opinion about this souls in purgatory.

Mexican people mostly are Christian denominations. So obviously, we do have same beliefs and believes. And it is true that when you offer a mass to the specific souls name and to all the souls in purgatory, you will be given a blessings in exchange to your help. A prayer is their only food for Salvation. So it is said that what you reap is what you sow. If you have been doing good things to others before you left the material world, then the one who cared for who you remembered you as kind hearted peson and etc…they  will pray for your souls, your salvation, for you to be free from imprisonment of the unjudged dead.

It is actually the condition or process of purification or temporary punishment in which, it is believed, the souls of those who die in a state of grace are made ready for Heaven. This is a theological idea that has ancient roots and is well-attested in early Christian literature, while the poetic conception of purgatory as a geographically situated place is largely the creation of medieval Christian piety and imagination.

According to Catholic belief, immediately after death, a person undergoes judgment in which the soul's eternal destiny is specified. Some are eternally united with God in Heaven, often envisioned as a paradise of eternal joy, where Theosis is completed and one experiences the beatific vision of God. Conversely, others reach a state called Hell, that is eternal separation from God often envisioned as a fiery place of punishment, though this is widely seen as a metaphor. It is stressed that it is by one's own free will that a person enters into the state of hell, separating themselves from God.

Actually, i have evidence from the Bible, where it really states there about these souls in purgatory or the imprisonment spirits or souls which have not yet judge by our Highest Saviour. In our human term, it is a JAIL actully. In the souls or spirits world it is actually purgatory though you will not found this word in the BIBLE but the description was written in the BIBLE.In the Blible, it was not literally name PURGATORY.

Verses from the Bible. This might help on our understanding about this souls in purgatory where we just named it purgatory.

1 Peter 3:19 – " In his spiritual existence, he went and preached to the IMPRISONED SPIRITS".1 Peter 3:19 tells us of Jesus' preaching to the spirits in prison. What
prison? The abode of the dead (Hebrew: sheol, Greek: hades, Latin:
purgatio, English: purgatory).

1 Corinthians 3:10-15 talks of the fire of judgment and how one's life
will be judged based on the foundations laid by Christ, losing what is
impure and keeping that which is pure.

When asked "Where
in the Bible does it say that you are to …?" perhaps we ought to
counter "Where in the Bible does it say that we are not to…?"

Source(s):

Deut 4:24.

2 Macc 12:44-46.

Mt 12:32; 18:17-19.

1 Cor 3:10-15.

2 Thess 2:15; 3:6.

1 Tim 3:15.

Heb 12:29.

1 Pet 3:19.

Rev 21:27.

i HOPE THIS WOULD HELP. Two heads are better than one.

Yes to grow spiritually and to repent actually :-) thanks dear!…

:-)

Purgatory is an innacurate simplification of a much more interesting and beautiful system.

Your questions about Purgatory are probably rooted in deeper questions you have about the nature of death, especially when it occurs in an imperfect state. So what happens to people that die in a state of being that is not positive? That is, they are still trapped in some harmful cycle and have yet to extricate themsevles from it.

To understand this we have to understand the nature of the soul and the reason behind existence in an imperfect state.

To understand the nature of the soul and it's motivation for being in such at state, we have to understand the why the soul exists, and what it is.

So this post doesn't take a lifetime to write, a quick way of describing what the soul is follows thusly:

God is infinite. 

As an Infinite being, God comprises all reality that is real, and is without any limits or ends, meaning God is immortal.

Since there is no greater sum than infinty, that means all that exists must be a part of God.

God then is not an entity that is perfect and seperate from us. It is instead the total sum of all divinity within all creation, meaning each being comprises an element of God, and therefore an element of ourselves.  There obviously could be an infinite range of beings with some containing a great deal of divinity, (such as Angels) to those with an infinitely small amount, lets say your average Republican.

What you quickly find is that each being contains within it a single constant amongst an infinite variety of possible variances. That constant is its origins in divinity, the part of itself that is a part of God.

Since divinity is infinite, it can never be diminished or destroyed. This in turn means the divine within each individual cannot be diminished or destroyed, as this would be the equivilant of destroying a part of God. This means that the core nature of each individual is an absolute divinity, that is, each individual is an indivisible element of God on the most fundemental level of its existence.

So then how do these parts of an absolute divinity end up incarated in a form containing "Evil"?

The answer to this is in the difference between a purely divine state and a corrupt one, and how it arises.

This is where we get at the part that's a little more difficult to describe. If a beings most fundemental nature is divine, then it must encounter something that causes it to perceive a reality that contradicts its own inner truth. To understand this we have to understand the difference between our fundemental natures and the ones we express in our daily lives. This difference has it's root in the creation of duality.  In the most perfect expressions of divinity, there is perfect indivisible unity. Existence can be understood as an infinite, perfect all in which all beings are so similar in their perfect divinity that they are the same eternal infinite being. All concepts of duality, male and female, black and white, cease to exist on this level of life. For This all to express itself in unique individual ways, duality must be created. Where there was one infinite, there is now two, and the interaction of these two contrasting forces results in an ever changing and expanding multitude of life.

Imagine it this way. Lets say you wanted to understand everything that was you. All aspects of your true nature to be revealed. The way to do this is to see the opposite of you, so that through abstentia you learn what you are. You know you are not A, and if you are not A then you are B, so you must be B, so to speak. The biggest problem in trying to describe a united conciousness instead of a dualistic one is our language is based off of dualistic thinking. We cannot understand something without contrast to another opposing thing. So we are forced to fall back on Contradicting phrases such as being both everything and nothing, to describe the state. Since God is both all things, both comprising one thing at the same time being more than it.

There are many levels if you will to reality, from the infinite One to a unique single expression of life at the other. The Divine work of life is for this unique expression of life to find equilibrium between the twwo opposing forces within the dual nature of individual existence and reconnect with the divine all that comprises us all. Acheiving this does not mean an end to existence in the dual sense of nature, it means our realtiy in the dual world becomes an expression of our fundemental divine nature. In a biological sense it is like your right and left brain hemispheres  working in perfect unision to be the best person you can be. The way I  see it in my head is finding the peace between two opposing opposites. The place where there is harmony between two contrasting esssences is the nature of divinity. It can be understood as the intersection of Justice and Mercy, two united but different forces, each trying to lead to good that is incomplete without the other. 

So then, where does that leave beings who are still in the throes of dualistic conflict? The important bit here to remember is that the most fundemental component of each individuality is a unique expression of divinity. If it isn't expressing it's true nature, then that means it has yet to accept it's true nature. So it must either be in ignorance, or denying the divinity within it. Since each being starts out as a unique expression of divinity, it observes itself seperate from all other life. As it continues its existence, it will usually find itself drawn closer and closer to all other life, through the force of love. However, since beings start out as unique individuals, they are not immediately in tune with the higher truths of reality, and can even lose focus of their own inner truths. This is because the seperation between all creation in a dualistic existence. This seperation can lead to confusion, fear, or false assumptions. This in turn can easily lead to seemingly malefic acts. Think of this, if each being had perfect wisdom, they would comit no evil, becuase they would see such actions as the opposite of their true nature. This shows that all evil comes through some form of ignorance, whether unintentional or forced. It could be a being simply misunderstanding good and evil, or it could be a being so caught up in the fear of its own evil it thinks itself unable to let go and trust in its own divine nature. The issue is obviously much more nuanced and complex than that, but ultimately all malefic acts can be traced back to either an unintentional or willful rejection of one's own inner divinity. However, since our fundemental natures are divine, we a naturally drawn back into our natural state of harmony. This means that through our infinite existence we undulate back and forth between the different dualities present in our existence until we eventually raise oursevles back up to our united equilibrium and harmony. If a being leaves earth with this process incomplete, it will naturally gravitate to the level of existence which will gradually help bring it into balance.  This of course is not always a pleasant experience. If the being is unwilling to acknowledge the problem within itself, it may choose to brood longer in negativity, until the suffering it is causing itself forces it to seek out its own true nature. The state after death is more like reconnecting with your true self, which can be both beautiful and painful. Think of someone who has commited a great wrong, like murder. Their true self would obviously be in a deep state of remorse and regret over this. That beings attempt to recconect with its true nature would involve accepting that painful regret and remorse. In doing so it reunites with the most fundemental and until now ignored element of its existence. Even though all beings are met with unconditional and complete love by their greater whole, the prospect of having to face such things as their own inner hurt for their actions can be very painful to contemplate. You would have to accept and experience the pain within yourself, and this can be a hard thing to do. How many of us dread the prospect of crying, or having to get over some emotional problem we know we need to but just can't bare to face? This is why not all beings get it perfect their first incarnation, but require time to work through the remorse and regret their actions have created. Fundementally it is all about being able to return to a state of unconditional and complete love, since that is the core nature of existence.

The good news is that since this divinity is fundemental to our existence, no matter how long each being takes, it will eventually be fully united in equilibrium and harmony in life. So Ultimately there is nothing in life to truly fear, only parts of life to love.