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Fae encounter in Egypt

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stellar

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6:45 am February 27, 2011

Here is a conversation that Dr. Hank Wesselman (who has a PhD in anthropology) had with a Fae being in Egypt. The original conversation is here: http://spiritofmaat.com/mar10/…..unter.html ("Jinn" is a Middle Eastern term for Fae)

 

J(inn): You humans are creators. We, the Jinn, cannot create but we
can mimic… we can imitate… and we can affect potential outcomes, but we
cannot create.

(There was a long thoughtful pause and then:)

J: Few can perceive us anymore and fewer
still can bind us to their will. Now that I have told you my name great
one (offered respect to me,) you can ask me to serve you, and I will.

HW: I have been called by other Jinn 'El Kobbet'-the
binder… And what qualities and abilities do you possess that might be of
service to me?

(The Jinn flickered thoughtfully, then answered.)

J: I can protect you from enemies and I can inflict curses and misfortune on those who oppose you.

HW: I am constrained in my practice from inflicting harm on anyone for any reason…

(Still, I thought, this genie might come in handy if a real bad
guy came along or someone threatened me of my family with harm.)

J: …Or with ill will…

(I had momentarily forgotten that the mental channel was an open one.)

HW: How about healing work?

(The Jinn's field dimmed in intensity. His answer was startling.)

J: Who can say what is written on another person's soul?
We cannot purposefully influence their destiny without tampering with
their agreement.

HW: Agreement with who…?

J: With the higher organizing intelligences…

HW: Are the Jinn below them in the spiritual hierarchy?

J: Oh yes. Some of the younger Jinn occasionally
misbehave. The watchers approach them then and encourage them in more
appropriate forms of expression.

HW: Who are the watchers?

J: The ones among the higher intelligences responsible for
this world. We are not allowed to interfere with humans on their path
although there are some who do, as well as those who function as
adversaries.

(I thought about some of my recent reading and asked:

HW: Are those the ones that the Gnostikoi called the archons?

(I used the Greek term for the Gnostics.)

J: Oh… so you know about them… (The Jinn's field
brightened reflecting excitement.) The archons are not true spirits.
They are mind beings, mental entities many of who were created by humans
as thought-forms. Many of these function as attachments… as mental
parasites.

HW: How do they do that?

J: They feed on the energy… on the attention paid to them
by humans. This includes the energy generated by human belief systems.
But they are not true spirits and they will cease to exist if nobody
pays attention to them any more. The ones you call 'the archons' are
those that we call 'the deceivers,' and like us they are not creative.
But they can mimic and they can take on forms in response to human
belief systems.

(I thought about this at some length, then asked.)

HW: Are they the ones we call the aliens or extraterrestrials?

(The Jinn didn't appear to understand the question so I explained. Its response was more than interesting.)

J: The deceivers can take on many forms, drawing from the
belief systems of humans… and… there are also visitors who come here
from other places.

HW: From other worlds?

J: Yes.

HW: Who are they and why do they come here?

J: They are 'others' and they come here as visitors.

HW: Why do they abduct humans and perform experiments on them?

J: They don't. That is the deceivers who do that.

HW: The deceivers? Why do they do that?

J: Humans are greater than the deceivers. The deceivers
that you have called the archons wish to become more like humans. They
cannot create. They can only imitate and the only power that they have
is derived from humans. Humans have power… and the deceivers want that
power.

HW: Why don't the watchers, as you call them, inhibit the archons, the deceivers, from interfering with humans?

J: The deceivers are not spirits. They live in the human mind, so the watchers cannot affect them.

(I considered this at some length, then asked some more questions.)

HW: How long will you remain in this shrine?

(Again, the Jinn didn't appear to understand the question, so I rephrased it.)

J: This is my place.

HW: If I travel in my spirit form, in my dream-body to this place, will I find you here?

J: Yes.

HW: Why do you remain here instead of going someplace else?

J: This is my place.

HW: Some years ago I met a jinniya in the desert to the
south of this place. She was of service to me in an interesting way. Do
you know her?

J: Yes. All the Jinn know each other.

HW: Can you tell me her name?

J: No.

HW: Can you convey my greetings to her as well as my respect?

J: Yes… but you can do that yourself if you have connection with her.

HW: I have not felt the connection for many years…

J: Time is 'not' in the world of spirit. All time is now.

HW: Do the Jinn exist elsewhere in the world, beyond the deserts of Egypt and the Middle east?

J: Yes.

HW: What are they called.

J: I do not know. We are the Jinn… earthbound spirits. We live where we wish.

HW: Where did the Jinn come from?

J: The Jinn are manifestations of great spiritual force
that the Gnostikoi called the Sophia. Everything that exists on this
world exists as manifestations of the Sophia.

HW: Who or what is the Sophia?

J: She is the soul of this world.

HW: Does she have a physical aspect?

J: Yes. This world is her physical aspect.

HW: Where did Sophia come from?

J: She came from the center of…

(The Jinn used a strange term to me. In asking for clarification,
I was given to understand that the Sophia came from the core of our
galaxy.)

HW: Is the Sophia a goddess?

J: I don't know. She emerged from the (strange term) as a
river of conscious light. She dreams and all that she dreams comes into
manifestation. That means that she is an (unrecognizable term).

(I changed tactics.)

HW: Do the Jinn have souls?

J: Yes. Everything that exists has a soul.

HW: Are there greater Jinn and lesser Jinn?

J: Yes.

HW: Are you a greater Jinn?

J: No.

HW: Are you a lesser Jinn?

J: No.

(I didn't know if the jinni was simply being modest or whether it
didn't understand the question, so I asked this: 'Who are the lesser
Jinn?')

J: They are units of ensouled energy that are growing in their awareness.

HW: Where do they originate?

J: From the Sophia. She emanates and they are products of her dreaming.

HW: Are they orbs?

(The Jinn didn't understand 'orbs' so I elaborated about those
spheres of light picked up by the flash of digital cameras. I also
disclosed how our photographs taken in the great Egyptian temples at
night often revealed masses of orbs while photos taken away from the
sites revealed few or none. This was the Jinn's response.)

J: These 'orbs' are units of ensouled light in the process
of growing and becoming more. They approach you because they are
curious about you… they are drawn toward human thoughts and emotions.

HW: Are they Jinn?

J: They are Jinn in becoming.

HW: Are the Jinn responsible for the crop circles?

(Again, it didn't understand the question. When I explained, it still didn't know… but it did offer and opinion.)

J: Perhaps these signs are created by the higher organizing intelligences.

HW: Why would they do that?

J: To get your attention.

HW: Why would they want to do that?

J: I do not know. Maybe to reveal their presence and their awareness of you and your deeds… or misdeeds.

(We seemed to be coming to the end of our conversation, so I asked a few more questions.)

HW: Were humans created by God?

J: No. Humans are manifestations of the Sophia.

HW: Creations of the Sophia?

J: No. The Sophia does not create. She emanates and she does so through her dreaming. Humans create.

HW: So are human souls emanations of Sophia's dreaming?

J: No. Your souls are sourced by the Originator. It is
your body that is human with its raw powerful emotions. Your soul is
simply a soul. It is spirit in nature and it is not human.

HW: Is the Judeo-Christian-Islamic father god (Yahweh-Jehovah-Allah) the Originator?

J: No.

HW: Is it the creator?

J: No.

HW: Who or what is Yahweh-Jehovah-Allah?

J: He is the arch deceiver. You might call him the lord archon after the terminology of the Gnostikoi.

(I thought about this for several moments, then…)

HW: Who and what is the lord archon?

J: He is the arch mind parasite who has been serving as
humanity's adversary and who has been operating against humans from his
beginnings.

(I digested this for more long moments. From my readings I would
learn that this insight is in alignment with information recorded by the
Gnostics in the Nag Hammadi Library found in the desert near Dendara in
Egypt-scrolls that date from the 4th Century.)

HW: You mean that he is not the creator as so many humans believe and claim?

J: Yes. The arch deceiver cannot create anything although he claims that he can. He is an archon. He can only mimic.

HW: Why is he so powerful and why have all three of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) revered him?

J: They were all of them deceived by the lord archon. He
is the arch deceiver and he derives his power from those he has
deceived-from those who believe that he is the creator… that he is the
Originator. But he is not.

HW: So he is not the Originator?

J: That is correct. He is the lord archon.

HW: Are the archons-the deceivers-evil?

J: No.

HW: Do they operate in the negative polarity? (This took some explaining.)

J: Yes. They encourage humans to go wrong in their behavior.

HW: Why do they do this?

J: That is their nature. They are deceivers.

HW: And what then is the source of evil?

J: Humans. The archons influence humans to err in their
behavior until they reach that point where they can no longer self
correct. At that point, humans create evil because that is their nature.
They are creators and they have been influenced by the deceivers. They
are still being influenced by the deceivers.

HW: So evil did not exist until humans created it?

J: That is correct.

HW: And is the Lord Archon is evil?

J: No. He is the arch deceiver who has operated against humanity as the adversary since his beginning.

HW: Is this why so many religious wars have been fought in
the name of religion? Is this why millions of women were killed by the
Church in the Middle Ages during the Great Witch Hunts?

J: Yes. The Judeo-Christian-Islamic god is the lord
archon. It was his influence that manifested itself in humans with
twisted minds to manifest great acts of evil. He is still doing that.

HW: You mean that he still has the power to do that again?

J: The Lord archon has no power of his own. He is not a
creator. He is an archon. Humans are creators and what they create is up
to them. He influences them to go into what you call the negative
polarity because that is his nature.

HW: So the choice is ultimately ours?

J: That is correct. Humans can create evil or they can create its opposite.

HW: Is that how we deal with the problem of evil?

J: I do not know. That is your responsibility as humans. In my opinion, humans created evil now they must un-create it.

HW: How do we do that?

J: By creating evil's opposite. And by changing your
thoughts. The archons live in your thoughts. They are what you would
call psychic vampires who feed on the energy of your thoughts and
emotions. Yet humans will always have the power that comes with choice
for humans are creators, but if humans allow the archons to influence
them in your thinking, you humans will choose wrongly. The deceivers
take delight in violence and warfare, greed and deception, competition
and denial, corruption and mendacity. They encourage humans to take
refuge in what you have called the negative polarity. I like this term.

HW: Did we create the gods?

J: That is correct.

HW: Who or what is the Originator?

J: No one knows. That is the Great Mystery.

HW: Where is the Originator?

J: Everywhere.

HW: So it is the creator?

J: No. The Originator emanates. It does not purposefully create. Humans do that.

HW: Can we interact with the Originator? Does it listen to our prayers?

J: No. It simply exists. It emanates for that is its nature.

HW: So the Originator is not a God?

J: No. It is the Originator.

(I asked a few last questions.)

HW: Is there a personal god who listens to our prayers, works in mysterious ways, and so forth and so on…?

J: Yes. That personal god is your own soul… the immortal
part of yourself who does not die. You humans have created it on your
long journey across eternity. Unlike the archons, your individual soul
aspect is a true spirit and resides always in the spirit world. It is
part of the dreaming and as such, it dreams… always.

HW: And whose dream does it dream?

J: Its own.

HW: So when we pray to god almighty, we are actually praying to ourself?

J: That is correct. You are praying to your soul-self,
your higher self, your god self. This is how the real gods come into
being… You ensouled humans are all in the process of becoming
god-selves. And when you dream, this experience is actually your
higher-soul's dream.

HW: Do the Jinn have god-selves?

J: We are god-selves. We are spirits. And we have free will.


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Aredhel

Croatia

posts 267

8:56 am February 27, 2011

Very, very interesting. Good info, i'm excited to see what others will comment.

First i just want to say though that i don't believe that Jinn's and Fae are the same, I might be wrong… but i think that Jinn's and Fae are different.

About Jahwe… i heard that somewhere else a while ago…it might be true, it might not be…

There is a way that nature speaks, that land speaks. Most of the time we are simply not patient enough, quiet enough, to pay attention to the story.

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stellar

posts 370

9:47 am February 27, 2011

I don't really know much about the Jinn… All I know is the Quran says they exist, as well as Peri (Faery) beings.

The way that this Jinn speaks of humans implies that we are more powerful than we think. And I like how he says "Time is not in the world of spirit. All time is now." That's very true.


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Bluefirephoenix

posts 891

3:09 pm February 27, 2011

Interesting VERY intresting thank you for posting that.  What the Djinn is expressing  is gnostic theology essentially, though the way it is put is very different. It's not the first place I've heard this. Other earthbound spirits have told similar things to other Magicians. … this folks is an evocation it's where you summan a spirit to appear before you and usually you have a conversation like this. Much of the time it reflects what the mage already believes .. sometimes you get interesting information from it. Archons were believed to be interferring with human becoming so to speak this was a typical gnostic belief it was very popular in early christianity and later denounced as herretical, but actual gnosticism has been around for a lot longer. The philosophy is very popular among the Ceremonial Magic crowd, most notibly Alister Crowley. I thought for a minute this was Crowlies work…. even Crowlie was shocked by the spirits saying this to him initially.

 

I think this is a legitimate evocation it's throwing things into a new light which you see in good clear evocations. I'd be interested in talking with one of these beings myself.

 

Godmaking was an art that the Egyptians formalized. It's not a new concept and my husband has actually studied it extensively in his younger years,  and some of the Golden Dawn material has this in it. I believe it's the Golden Dawn Journal… anyway if I can dig up the article and he'll let me post it I will

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Bluefirephoenix

posts 891

3:21 pm February 27, 2011

I want to add this was excellent work in finding this and posting it. It shows some real thinking going on and I really like to see that. Thats how you find out things. Now the next step is to find out where this entity is and how to get ahold of him if you want to ask some more questions.

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No

posts 89

4:17 pm February 27, 2011

I’ve been looking into Wesselman’s background. It looks like he has done some relatively recent academic work beyond this, which is always good.

This has nothing to do with the validity of what the Jinn is saying, but some of Weseelman’s other works rub me the wrong way. Here is a summary of his first book from the Spiritwalker Trilogy.

Describes an ongoing series of spontaneous, dream-like visions beginning in the early 1980's, in which Wesselman seemed to see through the eyes of "Nainoa", a man of Hawaiian ancestry living on the western coast of what is today North America 5000 years after the collapse of the "Great Age" of technology. Nainoa, a member of a Hawaiian-based society which has re-peopled America's west coast. The series begins as Nainoa is sent into the continent's interior on a mission to seek out the descendents of the "Americans" and, if possible, find horses. On the journey, Nainoa explores his shamanic calling, learns of his relationship with Wesselman, and makes contact with the "Ennu", a tribe of hunters and gatherers descended from Canadian Eskimos. The Spiritwalker trilogy explores Wesselman's struggles with what to make of these experiences, and records an extraordinary story as the anthropologist is drawn into the shaman's world of mystery and magic.

The future California-Nevada region is depicted as including rainforests and an inland sea, as well as a wide variety of exotic megafauna such as elephants, lions, longhorn cattle, and several monkey and ape species. Wesselman speculates that the ancestors of these animals may have escaped from zoos during the collapse of Western civilization. Both human populations shown in the book live in a Neolithic level of technology, with some metal artifacts such as fishhooks.

This guy has a degrees in zoology and anthropology? Assuming those populations managed to escape from their enclosures and cages then adapted to the new environment, with such small numbers them dying out due to inbreeding is likelier to happen than them surviving for 5,000 years.
Also Neolithic technology is at the level of stone tool use. Even if there was a collapse of the “Great Age of Technology” and those two populations forgot how to produce bits of our current technology, which happens in isolated populations, regression to that extent is incredibly implausible. I also find it interesting that the two surviving human populations are minorities – Hawaiian and Inuit. I guess in the future everybody else dies out.

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Athidal

posts 644

7:09 pm February 27, 2011

What the Jinni says also sounds to me as though it resonates with the Chinese concept of the Dao, which can be interpreted to be about the same thing as what the djinn calls 'the originator'. As far as I can tell, the Djinni's information seems to line up pretty well with basic Daoist thought as well as (as Bluefirephoenix pointed out) Gnostic thought. I especially like this bit:

"…your individual soul

aspect is a true spirit and resides always in the spirit world. It is

part of the dreaming and as such, it dreams… always."

For some reason that really resonates with me. It has the sound of so much possibility… :)

Thank you very much for finding this and posting it!

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stellar

posts 370

7:36 pm February 27, 2011

No problem… I'm just glad that I have people to share something like this with :) Thank you for showing interest!


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                              How far the unknown transcends the what we know

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road

posts 79

4:43 am February 28, 2011

OMG OmG omg..!!!

Others have to see this, it's almost unbelievable when the jiin talk about the god or lord archon Yell

Natalie have to ask Mr.E about this, if the jinn said was all the TRUE.

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Cocoa

Pacific Northwest

posts 218

6:37 pm March 19, 2011

I find Jinns/Djinns so fascinating. Much of what this Djinn had to say resonated with me quite a bit; especially what he has to say on the Christian god and the creation of evil. Thank you for this!

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