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What would you guys recommend doing for the really bad stuff? We've got problems at the moment that span at least five different entities, some of them we think are connected, but some of them we're not sure are. I'm Celtic Pagan, and while there is a rather large following for Pagans out here, there really aren't any that know about faeries… or if they DO know about faeries, they "can't help us". I don't know how many times I've been told "we can't help you" or "your problem is too big, go home, take a salt bath and pray."

Thanks… Because that always helps. I've had wards go down, charms with wards turn black… Chains that hold charms cut into my skin and feel as though they're burning. Formorians, demons or bad faeries or not… I'm a N00b when it comes to Paganism and protection and everyone I ask always says "Paganism is something you have to find out for yourself what works and what doesn't", but… BUT! If I don't know what I'm doing… how am I supposed to find out what works or not?

I'm just interested if anyone has any suggestions…

Thanks

–Ashy

First look carefully at what's happening. Is it really bad. Who is getting hurt and how? If things are happening that are spooking you but are not really hurting anything it may not be intentional maliciousness.  Spirit's with strong presence can make things happen unintentionally.  …. Case in point. I work with Enochian angels sometimes.  I can't use beeswax candles when they're around because the whole candles tend to catch on fire.  In fact I have to really watch anything combustable around them. I've had  smoke coming off the alter just by their being in the room.  It's not intentional on their part it's just an effect they tend to have on the material world. They were not really aware of it  and do not always know when it's happening unless I tell them.

Identify the culprit. See if they're trying to communicate with you. Sometimes it can get frustrating for them.

It could be a playful entity thats just messing around  with you but doens't really  mean any harm by it.

Then you can have a demon who really wants to take a bite out of you.  Usually you know those. Nightmares can get bad and sometimes you can wake up with injuries or a sense of being assaulted.

WHat do you do for this? I find the best thing is to  call on a powerful benevolent spirit who can help control the mischief or  counter attack the demon.   Sheilding as Zac said helps but only temporarily. You need to have good allies and when you first get into the world of the spirit things can be dicey til those relationships develop.  Personally I do this through grimoire work as I don't mind even though I'm not Christian now I have a background in the religion and I feel comfortable intigrating some of the concepts into my magical workings.  I would develop an alter dedicated to a diety or a couple dieties that you feel comfortable with. As the relationship deepend they can instruct you on what needs to be done.   I would suggest looking through how voodou and santeria ancestoral alters are done. It's similar to what most pagans here do and is supported historically. Your ancestors are a vital resource as they can both relate to being human and can see exactly whats going on. THe sidhe are ancestoral too, but they prefer to approach you.  I would make an attractive enviornment and let them know the door is open but don't chase they don't like that.  Smudging and incense tend to raise vibrations in an area and make it unattractive to negative entities. Keep your enviornment neat and attractive. Clutter dirt, and a depressing atmosphere is like a magnet for negs, and so is an enviornment where there is a lot of tension and drama going on. What you do physically has a strong bearing on the spiritual.  You cannot astrally cleanse a physically cluttered and messy place.

Then having taken all these measures  don't get rattled to easily if something happens. … Hey something dropped a tree in my path the other day…. big spruce tree.  I was talking to one of the angels I am close to, he told me to stop and do an invocation he had taught me earlier. I stopped and the tree dropped right in front of me.  Had I continued walking  I would have been injured or killed.   Now I can freak out saying something is after me.. but if there was a neg in the area he would have seen the angel and known that the angel would stop me. … so the purpose probably  wasn't to kill me .. maybe test my courage? or was it trying to communicate something. … See I'm not instantly saying this was of a malicious intention even though there was definite potential for death or injury. What did I do? I said the invocation walked around the tree and continued my hike and my conversation with my friend, and consider how I will respond to that incident. I won't respond with fear or aggression. I will encourage communication. It might respond and it might not .. it could have been an attempt to hurt me. If it was it learned that my friend is very capable of protecting me and that I trust him completely. It didn't get the fear reaction it was looking for in that case and hopefully will discourage like attempts in the future as the energy spent did not bear fruit for it.

We have a thunder and windstorm  and believe me  the winds were hurricaine force. probably close to 80 mph. We rarely have thunder here.   I have to go to work come back and get out of the car. In the wind I can hear this unearthly shrieking and lots of it. Doesn't sound like it's the normal tree wind noise I'm used to hearing… We have lots of wind here so you get used to the noise. The sound sends chills down my spine. Now.. do I assume thats evil? It wasn't evil at all… it was sea spirits having a wildly good time. nothing more. It's spring here Just because their voices sound strange to me doens't mean that they want to hurt me, or even care that I'm there. They're too busy chasing each other around and dancing in the storm to even notice any human.  I wonder when we get silly and start giggling and shrieking what does that sound like to them? Does it creep them out?

 Okay sounds like serious sheeite then.  You have to identify the spirits which it sounds like you have then force it out. We're talking major exorcism.  I would work first on some allys  your dieties and pick the ones related to magic and war. My suggestion would be a grimiore approach force the entity into submission then expell it.  Ars Goetia/Theurgia is the best one for the intermidiate type spirits which the sidhe are as far as I can tell.  Do NOT use the Crowely Mathers version.  It is highly inaccurate and adds a mess of stuff that does not belong in there that's related to Golden Dawn.

Grimoire vernum is the next and is a bit better suited for pagans. If you go with this approach do not change anything in the grimiore and follow it to the letter.  THe materials are much more difficult to find with the GV.

I know this is really tough but there is no easy way out if you really want to be free of this.

Everything else I said before applies regarding cleansing.

Now Sidhe don't  usually come around unless there's  a daggone good reason which could mean there's a broken pact somewhere along the line or a broken promise so to speak. Both the good and evil sidhe are elementals related to justice and cannot seek revenge unless it is justified. .. at least in their minds. If there was a pact it must be adhered to. If this is the case exorcism will not be justified and will not work.   My sense is that there was some messing around and being disrespectful of their power there and falling into a glamour.  If that is the case the illusion must be broken there is no enemy outside of your own mind.

Gotta root out the source and the   and then fix it. and expell that which is harmful… whether it be in you or a spirit that feels it's been wronged.  In other words get your feet on the ground head out of the clouds and you have some work to do.  There is an offense there giving the sidhe leverage and making your approach ineffective so far. The exorcism approach will work even in it's not entirely justfied. It depends. Fixing your problems then expelling negative entities is as far as I know the only way to do find a solution that is sustainable.

I know this is a bit tough to hear I'm not unsympathetic. Sometimes the initiation into magic isn't a pleasant ride it's a matter of survival.  This is the best I can suggest. It's not easy and it's not very pleasant but I'm reasonably sure that it  will work if your willing to bother with it.

That does sound really nasty. :/  Bluefirephoenix has a lot of experience with by-the-book rituals, so whatever she says is probably worth looking into for a permanant solution. The only other things I could think of to add are more like seat-of-your-pants creative thought exercises for the meantime, so they may not even be possible or practicable, but…

I dunno, it almost seems like creativity is needed, since from what you said he's got enough raw power to be a problem even for the other sidhe and Tuatha de Danaan. Mis-(or re-)direction might work where raw power doesn't, if he isn't expecting it. For example…could you take the idea of a shield and apply a kind of fun-house mirror effect on it, so that anything trying to get through it to posess you would just find itself twisted around and going back *outside* the shield? Or…can you invoke any kinds of energy into yourself that he would find intolerable? (Anything from the classic White Light to…oh, I dunno, endless repetitions of the Song That Never Ends in his proverbial ear?) Or maybe better yet (but probably much harder), if you know why he's there in the first place, can you think of any reasons that might make him decide it's more worth his time to be elsewhere? Is it possible to sever any links he makes to you as soon as you notice him making them?

That's not to say that any of this would be feasible, or even possible. Mostly I'm just trying to throw some ideas out there to get your own creative juices flowing, since you know the all-important details of the situation, what you and he are capable of, and I don't. There may not be any permanant solutions here, but maybe there's the seed of an idea to throw him off your tail once or twice, anyway, while you work on the permanant solution.

Good luck!