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Member | Hamsakala U.S. posts 197 11:57 am May 6, 2011
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What a great discussion! You are all making excellent and valid points.
What I have read, and I think Mr. E may have alluded to this, is that there will be a huge spiritually evolutionary jump that humans will make that will help humans deal with the ramifications of the veil coming down.
I hope that this is the case. I do not mean to say that everyone will be perfect and there will be perfect peace and harmony world wide. That's not likely to happen. But I hope that it will enable humans to deal with it.
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Member | SaranelTonight Buzzzz posts 416 2:24 pm May 6, 2011
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You know, has anybody seen "True Blood?"
I bet it would be a LOT like this…
or at least compareable to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
This news broadcast was taken over by a vampire, who announces that they live among us.
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When all of your wishes are granted, many of your dreams will be destroyed…
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Member | CyanTheWhiteWolf Great Plains posts 52 5:49 pm May 6, 2011
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Right lots of good points, but has anyone thought of when the veil comes down, what else might happen? Like the unseelie? I mean all this affects both parties, once the veil is gone won't the unseelie have a little bit of an advantage? I'm sure Mr. E and his companions have thought about that but what about us? What does that mean for us? What should we do to prepare ourselves?
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Is it so hard to believe that I am lost? That my reality has hazed over and I have no clue where to step next. Is it hard to understand that I don't see the hands in front of me?
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Member | Hamsakala U.S. posts 197 6:18 pm May 6, 2011
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That's a good point Cyan.
That could be the case, we do have to consider that. I think that Mr E and the group of Eight believe that the unseelie will not be at an advantage over us. Humans will have subtler bodies and will have the ability to used magic too unlike the way things are now where we can't really defend ouselves against unseelie.
I also would think that if we have this spiritual evolutionarey leap that we will stop hurting the earth which is the beef that the unseelie have with us.
I think the veil coming down is our hope for the future because the human race is in trouble, the world is in trouble and it is because of humans. Something big needs to happen to keep us from destroying ourselves let alone worrying about unseelie coming after us.
People are not taking global climate change seriously, we are not taking the mass threatened mass extinction of animal species seriously. People are hating eachother and making war. We are at war in two countries. We are creating more terrorists. Look at all the issues in the world, the media doesn't even bother to report about most of it. They would rather cover the royal wedding. Twenty years ago when we were in the Gulf War all the media were there and reproted every single day. We were shown the war, not so with these wars.
So I think the veil needs to come down. We need to work for peace and practice peace in our personal lives. We need to spread the word.
I am so thankful for Mr. E, Natalie, and Susan.
But I certainly understand your concerns Cyan. You should ask Mr. E about that, I think he has already addressed that but you could ask him to clarify because it is an important question my friend.
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Member | BlueTiger posts 189 6:43 pm May 6, 2011
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Mr E has been giving humans some ways as protection. Yes humans will need to learn to protect them selves as well. I am sure Mr E will also be teaching other means of protection when the time comes. Just as i am teaching some my self of that i am remembering, as well as being taught.
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Member | BlindBlue Minnesota posts 96 11:05 pm May 6, 2011
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I hate disagreeing with this but I have to. I've talked to a few good friends about this fae and human even wolf.
This very realm that we live in right now is where lives are taken place. We learn in these lives. Lives are set as punishments, rewards, training. A good friend of mine left the fae realm because she knew she was not ready to become the queen.
I'm a wolf. For me to learn how to be who I am and what it means to be a wolf I've had to go through several hundred years of human and animal live in this realm. I had to learn and repect the lives of the hunter and the hunted by living them out.
What will happen when this oppertunity to learn life lessons, a Process that has been going on for thousands of year, is taken away?
People please think about this. Could taking this away lead to chaos in the fae realm and by then it would be the human and fae realm put together. No lives would be carried out. All lessons would be learned as we are. Yes we can all live longer maybe but and there's that one word BUT would this lead to more wars? More confrontation that would normally be dealt with in the human realm? I don't know and we wont know until it happens.
In my opinion the veil coming down all the way to a major disadvantage to everyone. If there were a way for it to come down only part of the way…enough for some to see and learn, for the people who want to learn..
I don't know but this is my opinion
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Member | Dramamine Minnesota posts 202 11:16 pm May 6, 2011
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I have a few points to offer although all of you are bring so many good points :)
I had this feeling as well however I didn't voice it the correct way and got a stern talking to
The first thing we have to understand is that the unseelie are not evil, they simply see things in a black and white perpective, I think the only people who can truly undertand their ways, would be them. I know many seelie fae that scratch their heads…however we need to change our ways, we humans need to work together and learn we are not the only living beings that live here, if not for the Fae then for the fish that live in our waters, the deer that stalk the wood, or the trees that give us oxygen. These are simple things that we take for granted, but we need to awaken to the bigger picture in order to change the smaller picture (our lives). (I know no one here needs to hear this, but if your dealing with a stubborn person…maybe this could help??)
I think this is vaild, what if all the Incarnated Fae sudenly die at a certain point, I keep getting visions of this, like suddenly people just pass out and never wake up(its scary because i'm included in this and some of my close friend) the veil lifting is a gift to humanity, but we need to weigth the options and take it slowly, be patient because our bothers and sisters of the human race may not be as ready as we are, and imagine suddenlying seeing strange creatures and a mass of people dying, (some would blame the Fae for this), it would be a great tradgy to humanity. We all need to be careful (i'm not saying its a bad idea and i'm not saying its a good idea I'm a neurtal butterfly :) we just need to let what happens happen and if the veil lifts tomarrow or a thousand years from now, we just need to be ready. I don't know that's what I think…(ps I would love the veil to lift, but I just don't feel that humanity is ready)
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Member | BlindBlue Minnesota posts 96 11:22 pm May 6, 2011
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I agree with you Dramamine but I just don't think it should fully happen. I don't care if the process is 2 thousand years from start to finish for it to lift. Having it fully gone in the end would almost be like living right now but with one less realm. No one pays attention to the other realms. It hurts but it is meant to be that way. Realms are separate for a reason. I dislike this argueing because of how conflicting it is
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Member | Dramamine Minnesota posts 202 11:39 pm May 6, 2011
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NO I know we have been discussing this, its good the hash out issues and ideas, because this is how we learn and figure the truth :)
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Member | BlindBlue Minnesota posts 96 11:48 pm May 6, 2011
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I just want to get it out there and have everyone be thinking about what will come of it all. There is so much more than most are giving it credit. It's like reading 2 pages of a 500 page novel and taking a test with a written essay. You wont ace that test and everyone knows it because you haven't read the book or any information provided
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Member | CyanTheWhiteWolf Great Plains posts 52 12:12 am May 7, 2011
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hm…..things are the way things are. It's just the way it works, but what about the way it worked before, such as the life lessons learned before the veil was brought up? Poeple were more aware of the way things were when the veil was never there. People harmonized with nature and gave thanks to God for it, they gradually learned and grew with the fae, but as technology grew so did the memory humans may have had with the fae. The lessons that one may have learned with them. The thing about this amazing plant, this world, is that lessons will never stop. New lessons are taught, written down, or learned by ones own. Everyone learns, and if there are other realms then its the same thing. The world is connected to us and we are connected to her, we never forget the things we learn. They just slip ever so slightly away.
Yes I do think that there will be problems, but we as people have always found a way to fix it or negotiate with it. We're humans, we do what we can to survive. We try our hardest so that we can live to the fullest. Taking down the veil is a way of enlightenment. We are learning to harmonize with our kin like we did so many years ago. We are again regrasping what has slipped far from out reach, and it will be a trechorous path just to pull that rope back to us but I believe we can do it. Nothing will end, it will begin.
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Is it so hard to believe that I am lost? That my reality has hazed over and I have no clue where to step next. Is it hard to understand that I don't see the hands in front of me?
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Member | SaranelTonight Buzzzz posts 416 2:54 am May 7, 2011
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In my opinion, if it doesn't happen anytime soon, then we'll be the next Mars…
Barren land, little water, no trees, no oxygen, no animals or people…
We'll be gone.
Soooo, I do, personally, see it as a good thing…
And, maybe if the veil lifted, the unseelie wouldn't be as motivated if lots of us could change, you know? for the better, of course. Lives are in this realm, too, and with lives comes morals, lessons, teachers, and everything… It's life…
You have to think, life would be a LOT different, even unimagineable, and we, ourselves, as fae and human, would be alot different, especially the humans.
It will be a major change, and hard to even imagine at all…
When we're ready, or even if we think we're not ready, when it happens, it will happen… and look how thin it is in Ireland!
They'll be first, I think.
So, take a look at them and see how they're going, how they take it… Iceland, too.
"I think this is vaild, what if all the Incarnated Fae sudenly die at a certain point, I keep getting visions of this, like suddenly people just pass out and never wake up(its scary because i'm included in this and some of my close friend) the veil lifting is a gift to humanity, but we need to weigth the options and take it slowly, be patient because our bothers and sisters of the human race may not be as ready as we are, and imagine suddenlying seeing strange creatures and a mass of people dying, (some would blame the Fae for this), it would be a great tradgy to humanity. We all need to be careful (i'm not saying its a bad idea and i'm not saying its a good idea I'm a neurtal butterfly :) we just need to let what happens happen and if the veil lifts tomarrow or a thousand years from now, we just need to be ready. "
that's deffinitely something to think about…
i don't know, but I think it would work its self out…
You could always compare things, like I did above, and what I think it would be like (True Blood lol… with the people against them, their rights, newscasters, etc)
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Member | Dramamine Minnesota posts 202 9:05 am May 7, 2011
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Saranel that is valid super terrific point, ah man this topic is to convoluted…that's why I am unsure…I WANT THE VEIL TO LIFT…but then I think what will happen if it does…now I'm thinking what will happen if it doesn't…I see that it will depend on how willing people our to believe…and I think that in itself needs to speed up…but I know its hard, because I have definitely had people scoff at me, but then I have people who stop and think…"what if…" and that's what we need…I see it now…AH I'M SO HAPPY (even though Mr. E has been saying this for how long…i'm slow….lol) but I just think we need to release what could happen after it lifts, i'm not saying I don't want it to lift…I just think we need to know the consequences…well with both aspects lifting vs not lifting…and I think the Fae leaders have thought this through enough that I trust their decision…
I'm I even making sense lol
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Member | SaranelTonight Buzzzz posts 416 1:52 pm May 7, 2011
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Dramamine said:
Saranel that is valid super terrific point, ah man this topic is to convoluted…that's why I am unsure…I WANT THE VEIL TO LIFT…but then I think what will happen if it does…now I'm thinking what will happen if it doesn't…I see that it will depend on how willing people our to believe…and I think that in itself needs to speed up…but I know its hard, because I have definitely had people scoff at me, but then I have people who stop and think…"what if…" and that's what we need…I see it now…AH I'M SO HAPPY (even though Mr. E has been saying this for how long…i'm slow….lol) but I just think we need to release what could happen after it lifts, i'm not saying I don't want it to lift…I just think we need to know the consequences…well with both aspects lifting vs not lifting…and I think the Fae leaders have thought this through enough that I trust their decision…
I'm I even making sense lol
Why thank youuu! :D
and I DO TOO! LOL
But, I agree with you, especially the Mr. E and Fae Leaders part
and you do make sense :P
to me at least… lol
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When all of your wishes are granted, many of your dreams will be destroyed…
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New Member | red_elephant22 posts 1 9:53 pm May 7, 2011
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SaranelTonight said:
I did hear about it :P
actually this has more to do with your signature.. I love it.
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Member | BlindBlue Minnesota posts 96 11:25 pm May 7, 2011
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it'll play itself out when it happens. We all just need to understand the meaning of it and what could happen
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Member | Lostshadow posts 52 9:25 pm May 8, 2011
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We all have our own thoughts and ideas of what could happen. No one truly knows what is going to happen. The future is never cemented into stone, just a mere concept conceived by thought to help calm the worried mind.
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