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Member | Midnight's Song posts 270 7:27 am June 27, 2010
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okay, so these past days I've been thinking a lot about this whole 5D shift and stuff like that. I'm glad that there are people who are trying to achieve betterment in spirituality, but I really want to share my 2 cents concerning the supposed shift that is supposed to happen at 2012.
First of all, I have been thinking a lot about the other people around me that aren't too spiritually inclined, especially some close ones like family and friends. They just aren't open minded sometimes and to be able to suddenly just convince them within the 2 years time is just…too rushy in my opinion. What I've learnt in my journey is that spiritual enlightenment can never be rushed, and also can never be preached. This is especially true if one has read a novel titled Siddhartha written by Herman Hesse, which the main character even turned down Buddha's teaching to find his own way to enlightenment.
The fact that many of these people say that they'll be stuck at the 3D world until they "get it" just seems too rash. I can't imagine living in 5D IF and only IF (which also makes it kinda worrying for myself too) I make it without any of the close friends who don't feel that spiritual calling. They're all special to my heart in their own way and just suddenly leaving them behind when the "shift" happens, and plus, what if people who work so hard to do their own way to be as spiritual as possible suddenly gets rejected from 5D in 2012, what would happen? What would they do in the violent 3D world? I want feedback on what you guys think, because I'm really getting sceptical over the 212 shift really happening. I personally think after 2012, it is only easier to achieve enlightenment/ascension because nowadays people are more exposed to Eastern esoteric knowledge, but there won't be any drastic shift.
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Member | CojoTheBozo posts 391 12:42 pm June 27, 2010
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The views expressed in this post are only my own views and interpretations on the 2012 phenomenon based on past paranormal experiences and data I have collected on the subject during my own research. I encourage everyone who reads this to only take what parts of this post resonate with them and to throw everything that they do not agree with or makes them uncomfortable behind.
Well, since I see that you read my last post, you have a different view on this now. However, you must remember that since you now (apparently) believe that everyone will be switching realities in 2012 there may or may not be some overlap. Here's the thing often times when humans switch realities we switch to realities where there are already versions of ourselves and the people that we know. This is how magic works. You can't actually change reality with magic. Instead of changing the world around you, you simply move into a different parallel reality where the events that you wanted to make happen with the spell, actually happened, while in your old reality, nothing happened. Everyone in your new reality is still the same people as they were in your old reality, exactly the same. Same personality same relationship with you, everything. It's nothing to be scared of, it just happens all the time. Nobody is a clone of anyone else, all of your friends are still real, no worries, they all still have the same souls linked to them. They have to be the same for now because all of our human souls are bound to each other on this planet until 2012, so that's why people with different world views, opinion, and motives than yours can exist on the same frequency as you.
However, it appears that in 2012, we get a bit more freedom and can go to any parallel universe that we choose. It all depends on how YOU want it to happen. Even if you believe that flying pigs will come out of the sky and escort people to their new homes, that can still happen for you, and it will. However, this time, nobody is linked to the same reality. That means that your friends and family members will go off to their paradise and you will go off to your paradise, and you may not see them in that lifetime. That may sound depressing, but know that they will be happy where they are. If it still sounds sad, then maybe that is a fair price to pay. Imagine if you happened to drag them along to your new reality against their will. That would be beyond horrible on your part. Imagine if anyone of your friends who wanted to stay here and experience life the way that at always has been, decided to keep you here with her. Imagine that later on you found out that you could be living in the faery realm, but your friend was the only person who stopped you from going there, plus your friend knew that you would go to the faery realm, but she was to selfish to let you go.
Let go. Spend time with these people now, but don't mourn their loss. You will always meet up again someday, somewhere. You exist, and they exist. There's nothing you can do about that. We are all eternal, and we are all connected, and so in that sense family is always family. Besides, you'll be making new friends.
And remember, you're not making a dream world/fantasy land. You're simply thinking of a place that already exists. This place is also someone else's "fantasyland". Don't worry about everything being a lie or a construct of your mind there because it's not.
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| Lisa A.- Grey Eyes Pennsylvania posts 2506 1:06 pm June 27, 2010
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I respect that Cojo! That is very courteous of you to re-affirm to readers that they should take what resonates with them. There is always something we all can learn from each insight- I see many good points in your post above. Thanks for sharing with us :-)
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Member | Midnight's Song posts 270 7:29 pm June 27, 2010
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so basically, you choose the reality you want, and you find the parallel reality that resonates with you, that's what you're trying to say right?
But what if I want to share my parallel realty with my friends as well? you see, my reality would be that the magick and nature realm and the technological realm co-exists, which means that many of my friends who still like technological advances can still be at the reality that I am in. Does this mean that the frequency I resonate with is wide enough to cover other people's realities too?
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Member | CojoTheBozo posts 391 9:19 pm June 27, 2010
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no, because what if ur friends dont want magick or want onl future tech?
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Member | meow posts 65 12:00 am June 28, 2010
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Member | Midnight's Song posts 270 4:35 am June 28, 2010
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TaraR said:
i dont understand.
Whose post or part did you not understand? It'll help if you pointed out which one.
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Member | WitchyWoman28 posts 341 9:21 pm June 28, 2010
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I understand. I was always one to not want to be held back and be free. I'm not afraid of change. I know the people i love will always be with me in some form or another. I have all ready been through such a thing. I am a fae in a human body. I live in two realities. I have two bodies and one mind. It is sometimes difficult because I don't exactly fit well in this world and miss the fae world. It also helps I don't remember my other elven life. But I know after this experience I will be a better person. If this 5D change is going to happen then everyone will be in their personal heaven. Or at least one of the first stages of heaven? At least that is how I see this change. Existence is an endless adventure. I say don't be afraid and jump in head first. This is just my opinion but you do not have to agree.
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Member | Seriad posts 33 12:09 am June 29, 2010
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Im sure something will happen in 2012, if for no other reason than that so many people think something will happen in 2012. I highly doubt it will be anything too fantastic. But, my advice to everyone is: look into food storage. Try to store up several months, if not a year's worth of food. If poop hits the fan, dont say I didn't warn you =Þ. If anyone needs more info on food storage, Ill share what I know with you.
Personally, I'd count more on human induced chaos, weather anomalies, etc. than shifting into other dimensions.
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Member | CojoTheBozo posts 391 7:50 pm July 1, 2010
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Seriad said:
Im sure something will happen in 2012, if for no other reason than that so many people think something will happen in 2012. I highly doubt it will be anything too fantastic. But, my advice to everyone is: look into food storage. Try to store up several months, if not a year's worth of food. If poop hits the fan, dont say I didn't warn you =Þ. If anyone needs more info on food storage, Ill share what I know with you.
Personally, I'd count more on human induced chaos, weather anomalies, etc. than shifting into other dimensions.
Not to object, but… I object. Whomever told you that there would be more weather anomalies and violence (probably the media or the govt.) is lying. Simple as that. There will be some earth changes, yes, but to be clear, the media has tricked most of the population into believing that we are the cause of global warming. We are not. The government and the media know the truth, and they don't want us to know, so they keep us distracted by using fear, so that we focus on a smaller threat.
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Member | Midnight's Song posts 270 8:47 pm July 1, 2010
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CojoTheBozo said:
Not to object, but… I object. Whomever told you that there would be more weather anomalies and violence (probably the media or the govt.) is lying. Simple as that. There will be some earth changes, yes, but to be clear, the media has tricked most of the population into believing that we are the cause of global warming. We are not. The government and the media know the truth, and they don't want us to know, so they keep us distracted by using fear, so that we focus on a smaller threat.
Then what is the cause of global warming and what exactly are we supposed to do? Just drop our environmental acts and turn against the government?
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| Natalie Lynn posts 1268 10:32 am July 2, 2010
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Cojo, are you saying that humans have not affected the health of the earth? Are you saying the hole in ozone layer is a natural phenomenon? I just wanted to be sure I understood what you are saying…
As far as the 2012 theories go, there's lots of drama connected to what will happen in 2012 but for those who are interested in what Mr E has repeatedly said about this, you can go here and read it. He feels that the changes will be gradual, not instant.
Mr E clearly does not subscribe to the rather elitist concept that only those who are most aware will make the grade and ascend while the rest will have to wait for milleniums to get another chance. ( Why would this be a logical theory to begin with? Why would there be an arbitrary cut off date?) His view on ascension is more in line with what Lisa has stated here before – we are all in a process of ascension or enlightenment but it is not going to happen on one particular day or year.
Isn't it a good idea to really qualify those whose theories we take to heart? Anyone remember Heaven's Gate? Those people believed that the earth was about to be recycled (wiped clean, renewed), and that the only chance to survive was to leave it immediately through suicide.That was back in 1997 but there are lots more examples of people taking extreme theories to heart, if you want to look for them. Sometimes, I think these “prophesies” are meant to control people through fear or “specialness” so my suggestion is that we reach deep inside and discover what feels real and true and discard the rest. For my part, I plan on being here in 2013, working on my personal evolution, just like everyone else. 
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Member | CojoTheBozo posts 391 11:46 pm July 2, 2010
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Midnight's Song said:
CojoTheBozo said:
Not to object, but… I object. Whomever told you that there would be more weather anomalies and violence (probably the media or the govt.) is lying. Simple as that. There will be some earth changes, yes, but to be clear, the media has tricked most of the population into believing that we are the cause of global warming. We are not. The government and the media know the truth, and they don't want us to know, so they keep us distracted by using fear, so that we focus on a smaller threat.
Then what is the cause of global warming and what exactly are we supposed to do? Just drop our environmental acts and turn against the government?
No don't turn against the government. The government is still helping people because we do still need to heal the earth, it just won't fix global warming
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Member | CojoTheBozo posts 391 12:19 am July 3, 2010
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Natalie Lynn said:
Cojo, are you saying that humans have not affected the health of the earth? Are you saying the hole in ozone layer is a natural phenomenon? I just wanted to be sure I understood what you are saying…
As far as the 2012 theories go, there's lots of drama connected to what will happen in 2012 but for those who are interested in what Mr E has repeatedly said about this, you can go here and read it. He feels that the changes will be gradual, not instant.
Mr E clearly does not subscribe to the rather elitist concept that only those who are most aware will make the grade and ascend while the rest will have to wait for milleniums to get another chance. ( Why would this be a logical theory to begin with? Why would there be an arbitrary cut off date?) His view on ascension is more in line with what Lisa has stated here before – we are all in a process of ascension or enlightenment but it is not going to happen on one particular day or year.
Isn't it a good idea to really qualify those whose theories we take to heart? Anyone remember Heaven's Gate? Those people believed that the earth was about to be recycled (wiped clean, renewed), and that the only chance to survive was to leave it immediately through suicide.That was back in 1997 but there are lots more examples of people taking extreme theories to heart, if you want to look for them. Sometimes, I think these “prophesies” are meant to control people through fear or “specialness” so my suggestion is that we reach deep inside and discover what feels real and true and discard the rest. For my part, I plan on being here in 2013, working on my personal evolution, just like everyone else. 
No Natalie, I said that humans did not cause the phenomenon now called "global warming". This is because it is actually "galactic warming". Every solar system in our galaxy is heating up. Every single one. Of course humanity has been destroying the earth, and of course humanity caused the hole in the ozone layer. Absolutely all of these are true. However, even if that ozone layer was all nice a patched up, and even if we never built a single factory or uprooted a single flower, we would still be in a similar situation. The polar ice caps are melting here, but not just here, they are also melting on mars (yep, mars has clouds now…and it snows there too). Neptune has been heating up since 1980 and it's the furthest planet from the sun. The problem isn't our ozone letting too much radiation in from the sun, because the sun isn't the problem, because even the sun is heating up, AND IT'S THE SUN'S COOL SEASON. There are waves coming from the galactic center that come around every 26million years and the planets heating up is one side effect of that. Nobody knows why, or what these energy waves are meant to do, but it's true, and it's also true that every other planet is heating up in our solar system, and it obviously isn't because of SUVs or monster trucks or industrial coal factories, because none of the other planets have those.
I agree with you Natalie, that does seem a bit elitist, and although I've said things like that in other posts, I basically said that everyone goes to their own personal paradise in 2012 in this post, which sounds pretty fair to me. Also, just to note that the original theory had nothing to do with being aware of anything. I certainly never said that. I simply told people to raise their vibrations so that they could connect with that dimension and make the transition easier on themselves. The original theory was that everyone whose energy is more than 50% positive will go, and everyone whose below that bar stays here. In my opinion, that sounds very fair to me, otherwise there would be no difference between that earth and this one (although I'm still skeptical about this theory, but it is actually scientifically sound). Also, it's not an arbitrary date. The mayan calander is extremely accurate, and it goes beyond planetary movements too. The mayans discovered and documented pluto thousands of years ago, without telescopes, and calculators, and all of the technology that we have today. So, when did modern humans discover pluto? 1930. Just 80 years ago. Mayan prophecy goes beyond the end date of 2012. Most people don;t know about all of the other 100% accurate details. In fact they knew that the first mammals came around 820 million years ago. They also knew when the first nation (egypt) was founded in 2115 BC and they put all of this (and much more) in their calender.
So, the reason I believe that something big will happen in 2012 is because the most prohpetic and scientifically advanced civillization that has ever been discovered on this planet says that it will, and more so, why wouldn't I believe them? They were so far ahead of the game. They knew exactly where all of the planets in the solar system (and two in another solar system) would be at this very second. These guys were crazy intelligent, and have been right all along, and that's why I believe their prophecy.
Also, yes, go with what's true and discard the rest, but if you want more proof that your vibrations are key in this process, and proof that something monumental will happen in 2012, I can show you something to prove it. This is 100% genuine scientific evidence, this is not some person channeling some entity or somebody just saying stuff and expecting you to believe it. This is the real deal. Historical and scientific fact is shown throughout this video, and it's over 2 hours long with barely any conjecture, and since it's all already been proven, you can't say you don't believe it. You can only say that you don't agree with the exact way things will happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..EyqT2_ricA
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