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Seelie vs Unseelie

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_Nevermore_

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3:11 am April 13, 2011

I can not help but notice the prejudices and stereotypes of Seelie vs Unseelie.  I would like to help clarify a little bit, and add in a bit of knowledge.

 

Seelie court represents Order. They have rules that they follow, and a strict code of honor that must be obeyed at all costs. Love can not be surpassed, it is the ultimate. Seelie fae are akin to your Knights in Shining Armor type, the definition of chivalry and existance.  When someone kills a family member, it is justice that is dealt on the wrong-doer. Whether justice be an easy death or punishment, but never torture or what humans would deem 'inhumane treatment'. (cant be 'humane' since fae arent human). Their code does not allow them to cause un-necessary pain.

 

Unseelie court represents Chaos and all that is unorderly. Unseelie fae ARE NOT EVIL. It is not EVIL, but CHAOTIC. What they do, is defined not by what is right or wrong to us, but what is right to THEM.  When someone kills a family member, it is vengence that is dealt on the wrong-doer. It could be from a swift death to a long-death or torture. It could be to kill a member of their tribe or kin.

The Unseelie fae who follow rules that do not follow rules of Unseelie Court, but rather rules of their own, are the dregs of the court. Here we have Kappas, Banshees, Alps, Kelpies etc.

 

GENTRY fae in both courts tend to be more "rational" and "humanoid".  Such as your Kings and Queens and great warriors. Like Finvarra and   and the Tuatha de Dannan. Gentry, Seelie or Unseelie, are able to accomodate themselves with their own rules so long as those rules follow standards of the court. Gentry fae are in both courts, and not found in just Seelie or Unseelie.  Gentry tend to be among the richest of the fae, and serve generally in the high courts, run courts, lead battles, become generals, etc. Generally, but not always.

 

The dregs of the Unseelie Court are the ones to be most wary of, though they tend to not bother humans unless they "feel" like it or find a human particularly "interesting".  Fae don't usually meddle with humans unless there is something in it for THEM, Seelie or Unseelie. If a fae does not see that they can benefit from the interaction, then they wont interact.

 

Fence Sitters are fae who do not associate with one court or the other, and abide by rules that they, themselves alone, created. Fence sitters tend to be more weary of humans and human/fae interactions, and this in itself can make them more dangerous than even the dregs of the Unseelie court. Fence sitters tend to change courts at the drop of a hat or the bat of an eyelash, and dont regret anything that they do. Fence sitters would be more than happy to sit on the sidelines as Seelie fae battle with Unseelie fae, and side with the winner and switch sides if they start losing. Fence sitters usually wander around the realm in search of anything that catches his/her fancy. They can be gentry fae or not.

 

Please know that fae are not defined by what is 'right' or 'wrong' or what is 'good' or 'evil'. There is no such thing. Fae do not think along these lines. This is human way of thinking. There is no such thing as 'human morals' in the faerie realm, they do not exist. There is only Order and Chaos and what fae carry in between.

Fae are superior beings who make their own rules, and do not allow other realms to define who they are or what they are. As humans, it is humans' job to understand that fae do not think on human level, and that culture, customs, beliefs, behavior, language and everything is completely different. It is important to understand this.

 

Also, I would like to point out that any fae can be a dreg of the court or not. A pixie can be a dreg of the Unseelie Court and the pixie a mile away can be as Seelie as the Seelie King himself. A leprechaun can be just as Unseelie as they can be Seelie.  Fae are not defined and bound by bounderies created by humans, but make their own rules and play their own games.

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6:58 am April 13, 2011

Very informative. Thanks so much for sharing!! Do you know anything about dragons?


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12:07 pm April 13, 2011

What is it you want to know?  There is a wide range of topics regarding dragons, but are you looking for something specific?

 

I also would like to ask if anyone or most of you here can read Gaelic? This way I will go ahead and post names, locations, etc in the Gaelic spelling rather than the pronounced spelling. Such as Finvarra (Finnbheara), Arun (Arawn), Aengus (Angus), and others. Would this suffice for everyone?

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9:58 pm April 13, 2011

I don't know Gaelic, unfortunately…

Well, so far we know that dragons are very wise and referred to as "the godheads of intelligence" by Mr. E. They rarely ever interract with humans, unless they see a need for it. I have a green dragon that visits me once in a blue moon (I'll call her S) but she isn't exactly "my friend". She keeps her distance. So there is still so much I don't know about them… Any information would be greatly appreciated, really.


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11:22 pm April 13, 2011

stellar said:

I don't know Gaelic, unfortunately…

Well, so far we know that dragons are very wise and referred to as "the godheads of intelligence" by Mr. E. They rarely ever interract with humans, unless they see a need for it. I have a green dragon that visits me once in a blue moon (I'll call her S) but she isn't exactly "my friend". She keeps her distance. So there is still so much I don't know about them… Any information would be greatly appreciated, really.


Yes. Dragons are considered "keepers of the realms". They help maintain the control and use of magic in both worlds. Sadly, there are not many dragons left, and the ones who are still around keep very much to themselves.

Dragons tend to enjoy the presence of others, though remain very wary of others.

A dragon, though, will protect and watch over who they feel that they should. In a sense, they "choose" who they want to be around, and can bring great magic and prosperity to that person.

If you have a dragon, you should feel very lucky. There is another in this area who communicates with dragons, and has one who guides her through her transitions.

When your dragon comes to you, leave a small offering of sorts. Perhaps something small, since they do not generally appreciate overly-outrageous things. Maybe a marble or moonstone. She may not be your "friend", but she certainly comes to you for a reason.

I hope you can share a little more about your time with your dragon.

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stellar

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11:39 pm April 13, 2011

I don't think I could call her my dragon, I have a feeling she doesn't like that. Once I asked her if I could say her name to my husband, whom I share everything with, and she said "No, you may not." I also just asked her if I could give you her name through PM since you're of the fae, and she sort of gave me the cold shoulder. She's almost too cautious. But I respect her wishes, because she's helped me through some tough times. Although she's sort of distant, she does listen to me when I ask for help. Who knows, maybe our bond will strengthen overtime.

Have you heard of the Dragons of Behradorn?


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_Nevermore_

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12:00 am April 14, 2011

stellar said:

I don't think I could call her my dragon, I have a feeling she doesn't like that. Once I asked her if I could say her name to my husband, whom I share everything with, and she said "No, you may not." I also just asked her if I could give you her name through PM since you're of the fae, and she sort of gave me the cold shoulder. She's almost too cautious. But I respect her wishes, because she's helped me through some tough times. Although she's sort of distant, she does listen to me when I ask for help. Who knows, maybe our bond will strengthen overtime.

Have you heard of the Dragons of Behradorn?


Names are everything to us. If you have our true name, you can do anything. You can control us. You can destroy us and take us apart. You can make us do whatever you want us to do. Fae names are sacred, and if we tell you our name, then keep it safe. We are literally trusting you with our lives. So the fact that she doesnt want anyone else to know, is both good and natural.

It is very good that you can turn to her. Please understand that she will probably be there to guide you for a very long time. Dragons are very loyal.  It does take time to build trust, though. But she will come through. Keep that name in your heart, because it is very sacred.

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stellar

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12:05 am April 14, 2011

Thanks for that… Nobody knows her name but me, so I'm sure that helps build the trust a great deal. I also have named myself, I call it my Earth name (not sure what it means, but it just came to me) and no one knows about that either. When I call out to fae beings I use my "earth name".

Why are names so important though? How is it that we can control a fae being by just knowing their name?


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12:24 am April 14, 2011

stellar said:

Thanks for that… Nobody knows her name but me, so I'm sure that helps build the trust a great deal. I also have named myself, I call it my Earth name (not sure what it means, but it just came to me) and no one knows about that either. When I call out to fae beings I use my "earth name".

Why are names so important though? How is it that we can control a fae being by just knowing their name?


Yes, it does help trust indeed.

I am glad you have found your name. If it just came to you, then it is most likely a name that you have probably had for a long time, or the name that belongs to you. Either way, it is your treasure.

It really has to do with magic, and a control/balance in power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and there must be some way to manage and maintain that power. What is that term that is used for human politics? You have to make sure that there is a system in place to keep it in check. We Tuatha de Dannan believe that the magic was put there by our Goddess to keep us from being more powerful than her. A way for a mother to command her children. The magic is just there for us.

But, we can keep others from knowing our name by using aliases and mispronouncing our names. If the name is not pronounced correctly, then it wont work.

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ta

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12:25 am April 14, 2011

I read somewhere that fae can read human thought even before we can speak it out, so if a fae were to tell someone their name, wouldn't that be suicide? If what I read is true, we can't keep the name a secret.

Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are a good person, is like expecting a bull not to attack because you are a vegetarian. -Dennis Wholey.

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12:38 am April 14, 2011

If we dont feel you cant keep the name a secret, we wont tell you our name. That is why it is built on trust.

As for the reading human thought, that is not as simple as it is made out to be. Fae or other entities would need to actually get into your head and sift around your thoughts for the name. The name is protected by magic, and can only be spoken out loud or given. Names are sacred to us, and we dont have the drive to dishonor another fae by searching for their name. It is a taboo for us to do that, and so we just dont do it. There are some fence sitters who tend to do what they want, but the rules of the courts absolutely forbid the taking of a name by force.

Manipulation..on the other hand…is another thing. A name can be coaxed out, and some fae actually go as far to do that.

This is why when we give a human our name, we must make sure that human is willing to protect us.

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12:39 am April 14, 2011

I understand.

So can I share my "earth name" with others, or does it hold more power if it's secret?

Also, how many fae languages are there? Do dragons, elves, pixies, etc. all speak different languages, or does it depend on the area they live in?

How did you learn English? How old are you? What type of fae being are you?

Does your kind sometimes teach the humans they interract with their language? If we learn a fae language, would it help us communicate with them better (by getting their attention, perhaps)?


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12:48 am April 14, 2011

stellar said:

I understand.

So can I share my "earth name" with others, or does it hold more power if it's secret?

Also, how many fae languages are there? Do dragons, elves, pixies, etc. all speak different languages, or does it depend on the area they live in?

How did you learn English? How old are you? What type of fae being are you?

Does your kind sometimes teach the humans they interract with their language? If we learn a fae language, would it help us communicate with them better (by getting their attention, perhaps)?


I would say, keep that name to yourself unless you absolutely  trust the one you tell it to.
 

I would say both, the area and the race, but there is one main language that our High Court speaks that we all know. I guess like English to Earth, where others know it.

 

I am a fae. If I am around something long enough, I pick it up if I want to. Tuatha de Dannan are particularly good at picking up new things and learning things after a short period. I have been watching humans for three years, and with Aislinn for one. I have been here plenty long enough to pick up more languages and some of your neat human stuff.  Right now, I am also going through Aislinns head and getting the right information from her I need. In reality, I can not read or write English, but using the mind as a dictionary and having it do the work for me makes it easier. I learn this way.

As for my age, I can tell you I have been around since the invasion against the Fir bolgs and when Nuada was king.

Since we dont mess around so much, we dont feel a need to teach humans our language. Tuatha de Dannan speak Gaelic as our main language, though we have a language we once used before we invaded Ireland.

Fae languages can cause unwanted attention. I find it so strange that humans can be so willing to attract attention of non-human beings. This can be so dangerous, and it baffles me that humans do it.

Why would that be? What makes humans so interested?

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stellar

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1:05 am April 14, 2011

As humans, it's in our nature to be curious, and to explore the unknown. I personally want to know what's beyond the veil. I know there is more to it than this dimension, and I want to see it. I want to interract with other beings (not the dangerous ones, obviously) and learn from them. What made you want to interract with Aislinn? The reason that makes you want to interract with a non-fae being, is probably the same reason why I want to interract with a non-human being. That's the best way I can explain it.

"As for my age, I can tell you I have been around since the invasion against the Fir bolgs and when Nuada was king." —> I have no idea what that means. :)


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1:22 am April 14, 2011

Often I read in book, that since humans' life are so short, we tend to took whatever we have preciously. That doesn't mean all human is the same, some just used it up and later regret it. Maybe, since life is so short, we are more bold. I wanted to quote a line from a manga i read, but who knows where that manga is at the moment. I might look it up and tell you later. What do you think? Why are you or fae so interest in human? Our life are short and seem so dull and are so into our ego and materialistic. What's so good about us?

I don't see how knowing the fae languages can cause unwanted attention. It's not like other humans would be interest.

By the way, I'm not too interest in attracting attention from non-human being. I know it's scary, I do have a little expereience with ghost, it's very scary. non-human being can be as scary. Now, I don't even know why I think non-human being can be cool. I need to talk more to myself to understand.

Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are a good person, is like expecting a bull not to attack because you are a vegetarian. -Dennis Wholey.

The real measure of your wealth is how much you'd be worth if you lost all of your money. -Bernard Meltzer

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ta

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1:23 am April 14, 2011

stellar said:

"As for my age, I can tell you I have been around since the invasion against the Fir bolgs and when Nuada was king." —> I have no idea what that means. :)


I want to know that too. Can you give a number? Have you change avatar before?

Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are a good person, is like expecting a bull not to attack because you are a vegetarian. -Dennis Wholey.

The real measure of your wealth is how much you'd be worth if you lost all of your money. -Bernard Meltzer

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1:31 am April 14, 2011

stellar said:

As humans, it's in our nature to be curious, and to explore the unknown. I personally want to know what's beyond the veil. I know there is more to it than this dimension, and I want to see it. I want to interract with other beings (not the dangerous ones, obviously) and learn from them. What made you want to interract with Aislinn? The reason that makes you want to interract with a non-fae being, is probably the same reason why I want to interract with a non-human being. That's the best way I can explain it.

"As for my age, I can tell you I have been around since the invasion against the Fir bolgs and when Nuada was king." —> I have no idea what that means. :)


Ah, I see. That is very interesting. My interaction with my inouin  is special to me, and to the others around here. But I can understand what you are saying. It is the reason why most fae meddle in human affairs. It is interesting. Something to do. A change in the normal. An open gate to new horizons.
 

Probably around numbered human years of 600-850BC.

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stellar

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1:43 am April 14, 2011

T

a brought up a good point. It's also because we are mortal, we have such short lives. We can live maybe up to 60-70 years before going senile. If you had only a few decades to live, wouldn't you want to explore the unknown and learn about things as much as you could? Humans are probably far more interested in contacting the fae than vice versa. Fae know so much more than us mortal, short-lived humans. Also, magic is more accessible in your dimension than it is in ours.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of changes can we expect in the year 2012? What signs should we look out for?


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2:09 am April 14, 2011

stellar said:

T

a brought up a good point. It's also because we are mortal, we have such short lives. We can live maybe up to 60-70 years before going senile. If you had only a few decades to live, wouldn't you want to explore the unknown and learn about things as much as you could? Humans are probably far more interested in contacting the fae than vice versa. Fae know so much more than us mortal, short-lived humans. Also, magic is more accessible in your dimension than it is in ours.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of changes can we expect in the year 2012? What signs should we look out for?


That is true. I would want to discover as well.

 

I am not at liberty to discuss much about 2012, but I also have special orders to remain silent. I will say though, that there will be major changes regarding the planes and the courts.

The Courts will completely change, and will be rejuvinated with a new system that is already being put into place. What our Goddess has given us to make her children finally come together is currently in the process of being primed for this change.

Once the Courts and races are able to get along, then we can start to prepare for the combining of the planes. Magic belongs to the Earth and the Universe, and it is time for the Universe to become solid again.

I fear that humans will be so consumed by this "end of the world" that the magic will be unable to reach them, and this risks the planes from being unable to combine, and portals to open.

I am afraid I can not say anything more than that at the moment.

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2:47 am April 14, 2011

OK, I understand that you're not allowed to reveal more information regarding 2012. But can I at least ask why it's such a secret? I mean, isn't it our right to know what will happen to the Earth, to our dimension (especially since this change is going to take place very soon)?

See, this is precisely why us humans have such a thirst for exploring the unknown. It's like everybody knows what's going on except for us. It's like we are lesser beings, and we are being forced to feel that way.

Also, what happens when portals open? Why is that bad? Sorry for asking too many questions, please don't feel obligated to answer them if you don't feel comfortable.


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